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Michael Fraser joins us to chat about the current economic state and new needs for businesses long term. The current state of MSP IT is going from rack and stack infrastructure to API infrastructure or IT as code. MSPs need to start learning and implementing this new infrastructure into their clients and stop relying on techs alone. With the limitation and a declining tech work force, Michael is helping vendors produce and create content in an automation state to help impower MSPs adapt and come into this IT as Code model or they are going to be cut out and larger companies are going to take their clients.